Why are muslims so violent?

[ricanpa14]

All that's going on in the Middle east with these muslims being violent kill everyone and even killing themselves in car bombing etc they are getting their beliefs from the Koran. I'm a Christian and looking at this I can't see how someone who kills themselves go to what they call Paradise(heaven)

[Raheem]

in the Quran its written that one goes to hell if they commit suicide so i dont kno what kinda muslims these people r...

i take it not many hispanics enter these forums cos its always bout islam or desi'z...

[ricanpa14]

in the Quran its written that one goes to hell if they commit suicide so i dont kno what kinda muslims these people r...

i take it not many hispanics enter these forums cos its always bout islam or desi'z...

On Murder and Violence:

Islam both allows and forbids murder and violence, depending on who is the recipient of the act.

Allowed:

"Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme." (Koran 8:37)
The Koran instructs not to make friendship with Jews and Christians (Koran 5:51) but to war against them: "When the Sacred Months are over, kill those who ascribe partners to God wheresoever ye find them; seize them, encompass them, and ambush them; then if they repent and observe prayer and pay the alms, let them go their way (Koran 4:5). "Fight against those who believe not in God nor in the Last Day, who... refuse allegiance to the True Faith from among those who have received the Book, until they humbly pay tribute out of hand." (Koran 9:29) Note: These verses distinguish between warfare against pagans, and against Jews and Christians.[17]
"...kill the disbelievers wherever we find them" (Koran 2:191); "fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem" (Koran 9:5); "murder them and treat them harshly" (Koran 9:123).
"Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin." (Koran 69:30-37)
"Strike off the heads of the disbelievers"; and after making a "wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives" (Koran 47:4).
"Instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers"; "smite above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them" (Koran 8:12; cp. 8:60).
"O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern against them. Their abode is Hell - an evil refuge indeed" (Koran 9:73).
"slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace..." (Koran 5:34).
"for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods" (Koran 22:19-22)
Forbidden:

"And slay not the soul which God has forbidden except for the just cause..." (Koran 17:33)
"...If anyone killed a person not in retaliation for murder or to spread mischief in the land, it would be as if he killed the whole of mankind. And if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the whole of mankind" (Surah Al-Maaida 5:32)
"Fight for the sake of Allah those that fight against you, but do not attack them first. Allah does not love the aggressors." (Koran 2:190)
"…when it is said to them; 'Make not mischief on the Earth', they say; 'We are only peace makers'. Indeed they are the ones who make mischief, but they perceive it not" (Surah Al-Baqarah 2:11-12)
The Prophet Mohamad said to his army before going to a fight "Depart in the name of Allah, and by his help. And kill not any old man nor young boy nor child, nor woman, But be good doers for Allah loves those who do good. (Hadeeth)

Allah himself is really the one slaying them:

"It is not us who slay them but Allah, in order that He might test the Believers by a gracious trial from Himself." (Koran 8:17; cp. Surah Al-Baqarah 2:190)
Allah "will punish them by our hands..." (Koran 9:14).

Jihad is mandatory.

"Unless we go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish us with a grievous penalty, and put others in our place" (Koran 9:38-39).
"And what is the matter with you that you do not fight in the cause of Allah and for those weak, ill treated and oppressed among men, women and children whose only cry is; 'Our Lord, rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors..." (Surah An-Nisa 4:75)
"Believers, when you encounter the armies of the infidels do not turn your backs to them in flight. If anyone on that day turns his back to them, except it be for tactical reasons, or to join another band he shall incur the wrath of Allah and Hell shall be his home: an evil fate." (Koran 8:12-17)

"The recompense for an injury is an injury equal thereto (in degree): but if a person forgives and make reconciliation his reward is due from Allah: For (Allah) loves not those who do wrong." (Koran 42:40)

[The Red Tiger]

word yo all these niggas know how to do is cut off heads an shit.

[arabianm1555y]

the mid east aint all muslim. there are catholics too. and most of the war in the mid east is in iraq because of all the americans going to iraq for the oil and killing everyone. and in israel and palestine because of those jewish people taking the lands of the palestinians. and those car bombings are people that lost everything and they have nothing to live for. because there whole family got killed. soo yaah theres more that stuff, everyone just thinks that the mid east is bad because the news only puts the things they want to show the people. what turds. :rolleyes:

[ricanpa14]

I know everyone in the middle east aren't muslim. But people who are doing these violent acts are bad muslims. They're following people like Osams and Abu Musab al-Zarqawi saying Allah says to kill your emeny. All of these people doing these acts aren't from Iraq there are from other near by Countries like Syria. Majority of these people who are suicide bombers aren't people who don't have anything most of these people are very educated, just been married or come from rich families. With promises by doing so they are promised to go to Paradise and have several Virgins by doing this good deed for Allah. Listening to a lot of the news/media you don't get much of the truth a lot of information is twisted adding more negativity to it. Especially If you're not personally over here understanding what's going you have nothing but the news to go off of. I have been in Iraq and currently in Afghanistan to have a better idea what's going on with military intel. If America is so much after the oil only why before the war gas price were around $1.35 and since the war it's been over $2.00 in the last 2 years. Why hasn't it came down? Where is all this oil we are suppose to be stealing?

[The Red Tiger]

yea thats right......we aint stealin no fuckin oil.

fuck oil.

fuck suicide bombers too.

[CRUNK_JUICE]

the mid east aint all muslim. there are catholics too. and most of the war in the mid east is in iraq because of all the americans going to iraq for the oil and killing everyone. and in israel and palestine because of those jewish people taking the lands of the palestinians. and those car bombings are people that lost everything and they have nothing to live for. because there whole family got killed. soo yaah theres more that stuff, everyone just thinks that the mid east is bad because the news only puts the things they want to show the people. what turds. :rolleyes:
hold up ma,,,,, all the mass graves we are currently diggin up were buried way before the war started,,,and to think the war is about oil is so ignorant.....(i dont know about you but im still payin more than 2 dollars a gallon) anyways the war removed a corrupt leader (saddam) from power,,,, a leader who oppressed his own people!!!! And as far as the killings and car bombs go,,,you really cant blame the individuals, there just doin what saddam and other evil men convinced um of.......that is "you doin it for god"........most people will do anything for god so all they (saddam,osama,others) had to do was convince there people of was that we were evil and god wants us dead

[ricanpa14]

hold up ma,,,,, all the mass graves we are currently diggin up were buried way before the war started,,,and to think the war is about oil is so ignorant.....(i dont know about you but im still payin more than 2 dollars a gallon) anyways the war removed a corrupt leader (saddam) from power,,,, a leader who oppressed his own people!!!! And as far as the killings and car bombs go,,,you really cant blame the individuals, there just doin what saddam and other evil men convinced um of.......that is "you doin it for god"........most people will do anything for god so all they (saddam,osama,others) had to do was convince there people of was that we were evil and god wants us dead

Well Said!!

[headhunta]

Originally Posted by arabianm1555y
the mid east aint all muslim. there are catholics too. and most of the war in the mid east is in iraq because of all the americans going to iraq for the oil and killing everyone. and in israel and palestine because of those jewish people taking the lands of the palestinians. and those car bombings are people that lost everything and they have nothing to live for. because there whole family got killed. soo yaah theres more that stuff, everyone just thinks that the mid east is bad because the news only puts the things they want to show the people. what turds


That was her quote..

If u noticed everyone has something to say about islam ever since the 9-11 and the war on Iraq. But a quick question for u ? How would u feel if your whole family was slaughtered like cattle in front of you. That's the things we dont see As americans since our media is soo censored by government officals. If you watch news for different countries it will tell you a wider story than just this little box we live in called the "United States". If we are the land of the free why do we oppress other countries for their small resoures. In my eyes we should be helping them rather than trying to harm them. That's what islam is actually about. For the person who put up the qoutes from the Quaran I give u that because you backed up your words. But I also have a question for you.. Why didn't you include the other parts of it which teaches you about peace and self displince. That's what Malcom X was tryin to show us before his untimely death. Like I stated earliermost of the people have watched their whole family slaughtered in front of them.

How would you respond to it ?

Would you lie down to it ?

Or pick up arms and fight.
Unforunately these people have made choices and decided to pick up arms(guns,bombs, u know the story). Not because their Muslim, Jewish or Christian. It's how they express their anger to a fuck'd up situation that happen everyday.Even in the ghettos of America.

But we are so free huh ?

[ricanpa14]

What do Americans being in Iraq have to do with them getting violent now? People have been watching their families being killed for years under Saddams regime. From torture chamber to the Chemical attack he order on his own people and even finding mass gaves with not only men but women and children. Why didn't they pick up arms and fight, car bombings etc back then??

http://www.kdp.pp.se/chemical.html

To be honest I didn't find much about peace when I did my little reach on Islam. I see they put down woman in this religion..

Men have authority over women. (Koran 2:228)

In the home:

"Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the others, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them." (Koran 4:34)
"Mothers shall suckle their children two years completely, for such as desire to fulfill the suckling....But if the couple desire by mutual consent and consultation to wean, then it is no fault in them." (Koran 2:233)
Women who disobey their husband will go to hell. (Koran 66:10).
"Thou mayest decline for the present whom thou wilt of them, and thou mayest take to thy bed her whom thou wilt, and whomsoever thou shalt long for of those thou shalt have before neglected; and this shall not be a crime in thee. Thus will it be easier to give them the desire of their eyes... and to satisfy them with what thou shalt accord to each of them." (Koran 33:51)
In society:

Women do not have equal right to their inheritance (Koran 4:11-12) Women receive half of the male share for an equivalent degree of kinship.[24]
Women who disobey should be beaten:

"Good women are obedient.... As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them." (Koran 4:34)

[ricanpa14]

Mass Graves http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/iraq/tales.html

You know saddam's son Uday was in charge of the Iraqi Soccer team. And if any of the players didn't do well they'll be sent to the torture chamber and some just killed on the spot.
http://www.iraqfoundation.org/hr/2002/cdec/27_uday.html

[ranagoldleaf]

What do Americans being in Iraq have to do with them getting violent now? People have been watching their families being killed for years under Saddams regime. From torture chamber to the Chemical attack he order on his own people and even finding mass gaves with not only men but women and children. Why didn't they pick up arms and fight, car bombings etc back then??

http://www.kdp.pp.se/chemical.html

To be honest I didn't find much about peace when I did my little reach on Islam. I see they put down woman in this religion..

Men have authority over women. (Koran 2:228)

In the home:

"Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the others, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them." (Koran 4:34)
"Mothers shall suckle their children two years completely, for such as desire to fulfill the suckling....But if the couple desire by mutual consent and consultation to wean, then it is no fault in them." (Koran 2:233)
Women who disobey their husband will go to hell. (Koran 66:10).
"Thou mayest decline for the present whom thou wilt of them, and thou mayest take to thy bed her whom thou wilt, and whomsoever thou shalt long for of those thou shalt have before neglected; and this shall not be a crime in thee. Thus will it be easier to give them the desire of their eyes... and to satisfy them with what thou shalt accord to each of them." (Koran 33:51)
In society:

Women do not have equal right to their inheritance (Koran 4:11-12) Women receive half of the male share for an equivalent degree of kinship.[24]
Women who disobey should be beaten:

"Good women are obedient.... As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them." (Koran 4:34)


well i think all these stories are over exaturated.

there are so many crimes that happen in america too and the cops never go there cuz its too dangerous.

thousands are raped in america and cops dont reach in time and then they just investigate it for a year

every place in the world is messed up if u really wanna go and find misery stories and unjustice u will find it equally everywhere in the world.

just because they take all these stories and put it on the world media doesnt mean that only that particular country is bad, shit like that happens everywhere

[ranagoldleaf]

What do Americans being in Iraq have to do with them getting violent now? People have been watching their families being killed for years under Saddams regime. From torture chamber to the Chemical attack he order on his own people and even finding mass gaves with not only men but women and children. Why didn't they pick up arms and fight, car bombings etc back then??

http://www.kdp.pp.se/chemical.html

To be honest I didn't find much about peace when I did my little reach on Islam. I see they put down woman in this religion..

Men have authority over women. (Koran 2:228)

In the home:



"Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the others, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them." (Koran 4:34)
"Mothers shall suckle their children two years completely, for such as desire to fulfill the suckling....But if the couple desire by mutual consent and consultation to wean, then it is no fault in them." (Koran 2:233)
Women who disobey their husband will go to hell. (Koran 66:10).
"Thou mayest decline for the present whom thou wilt of them, and thou mayest take to thy bed her whom thou wilt, and whomsoever thou shalt long for of those thou shalt have before neglected; and this shall not be a crime in thee. Thus will it be easier to give them the desire of their eyes... and to satisfy them with what thou shalt accord to each of them." (Koran 33:51)
In society:

Women do not have equal right to their inheritance (Koran 4:11-12) Women receive half of the male share for an equivalent degree of kinship.[24]
Women who disobey should be beaten:

"Good women are obedient.... As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them. Then if they obey you, take no further action against them." (Koran 4:34)

and by the way as far women go. Women arnt really forced to cover its part of the arab culture.

no body forces them, they just do it cuz its part of the society. Just like u wont go out naked on the street cuz people will look at u wierd. They have to cover so people dont look at them wierd.

secondly woman are treated much better in the middle east i think because if u ever mis behave with a lady there, say in public, people there will burn you. so they have much more respect for women .

this is all a myth and over exatuarations that women are treated bad. if u every live in a muslim country u'll know, u cant dare to call a women a hoe or misbehave. ur ass will be hanged if u do that.

[ricanpa14]

There's a big difference between whats going on in America and what's going on in Iraq "TERRORISM" Every country has their crime but not every country has terrorism activity going on every single day killing many innocent people just because they are working with Americans

[ranagoldleaf]

There's a big difference between whats going on in America and what's going on in Iraq "TERRORISM" Every country has their crime but not every country has terrorism activity going on every single day killing many innocent people just because they are working with Americans

well because of the war people have no jobs cuz everything is bombed out and the only high paying job is to work with american military. to be honest all iraqiz wish america packed up and left this very moment.

[ricanpa14]

well because of the war people have no jobs cuz everything is bombed out and the only high paying job is to work with american military. to be honest all iraqiz wish america packed up and left this very moment.

The Iraqi people that are being targeted are the Government people of Iraq. WHat about the innocent school kids that were killed 2 weeks ago at their school? They didn't have anything to do with Americans. True theres some Iraqis that want the US out but the majority of them there appreciate what we have done and don't want us to leave until everything is more stable. That's why we are building their Army and training them. I was in Iraq last year around locals so if you're not personally over there understand what's going on instead of watching twisted media you'll never know the truth.

[LaLaLand]

Hmmm

This isn't the right forum if you want to learn about Islam since the few desi muslims on this forum aren't quite religious and i doubt they know much.

Terrorists follow the Wahhabi/Salafi/Deobandi sect of Islam founded and propogated by individuals such as Ibn Wahab and Ibn Tamiyyah.

If you really want to learn about Islam i suggest these websites and forums:

www.al-islam.org

http://www.shiachat.com/

The people on the above forum are quite tolerant so you can ask questions (just dont mind the troublesome ones though)

Personally I used to be Muslim but I have been agnostic since last year. If I was to choose a religion though it would either be Itna Asheri Islam or Buddhism.

[frook]

Yo......


first of all.......Them qoutes from the Quran..you have to watch out cause there are a lot of websites about Islam, but not by Muslim. these websites are twisted and change the real meaning of the qoutes.

Islam doesnt teach us to hate Jews and Christians etc

Infact it teaches us that we should respect the other religions.

And you talk about muslims being violent???

When the US army went to Iraq they commited all sorts of sexual acts upon the prisnors

The US army also used to attack the Iraqie soldiers after they had put there arms up in peace

Islam infact is a very peaceful religion

The way we great people is as follows:

'Asalam auh aliekum'

This basically means may peace be with you (i think i may of got the translation wrong, but the word peace is in there)

If you look back to when Islam ruled spain and france, the Jews and Christians always got along with the Muslims, the muslims allowed the Jews to worship to their own beliefs.

[aurovon]

its because they dont have anyone to cut their grass

[jd-naz]

its because they dont have anyone to cut their grass

LMAO!!

[deshpande]

its not da religion its just some people its like saying everyone in usa's r rich and run around nakled and every women in mexico are hoe's just cause some people do it dont blame the religion

[headhunta]

you know what why do you get the real meaning religion....

Religon is deen... Deen is a way of life..Your way of life is the most righteous path u chose or get penalized for ur mistakes Every religion if u openned up each book basically coralates with each other.. Which basically states is to expect each person for who they are... Praise god and chose the most righteous path to god... Everyone has their mistakes that's what our ancestors had died for just to give us a better way of life where everyone can be everyone... So why make retard thread such as dis one...

[chai_wala]

oil prices aint cutting down because its the Iraqi oil, stealing would make the U.S theives, besides China is the new emerging power so they are buying more oil day by day so their is an increase in demand thus creating the economic curve of increase in price.

for someone to blow themselves up they must have some real conviction that they are right, regardless of the fact who are you to judge others, dont throw stones if you life in a glass house, dam burritos, go on your low riders and pick vegetables and go habla espanol cause you cant get my order right at mcdonalds cause you dont habla english. you multiplying cockroaches, my fucking tax dollars paying for translated shit for you and your toilet cleaning monkey crew. frankly im shocked this many of you can operate a computer dont you have babies to make and drugs to smuggle.

yeah yeah get mad and boil beans, dont bother replying, i dont find your response worth coming back for. dont understand anything in your own land and mind, how you gonna understand anythings, bet half of you didn't finish highschool and probably no college monkies, so how can you learn anything of the outside world, the spanish culture starts from the waist below, now spain on the other hand has culture and people, you in the south happen to be reject feces of society.


hahahahahaahahah
burritos, go buy bumber stickers and hubcaps for your corollas. hahahaha